Radiesse & Aquamid dermal fillers

[mosaic]

Hi, I am new to the forum and have a couple of questions.
About 9 months ago I had Restylane injections in my lips, nasolabial folds and marionette lines. It was painful, but the results fab. I was told that there are more permanent fillers around, one called Aquamid and the other is Radiesse. Seems there can be problems with Aquamid, but it lasts for some years. I can't find much info on the Radiesse, but it sounds OK lasting up to 2 years. I want something that is semi permanent because even with a ton of local ( as the doc said enough to numb a horse) I still felt every needle 'ouch'!:eek: I amone of those people who have had the experience of waking under general anaesthetic, years ago. Since then I seem to have this high tolerance to any sort of anaesthetic

So if I could have something that lasts longer than Restylane I would be very relieved. I am a bit nervous about the aquamid ( love the up to 5 years period though) and thought that maybe it might be best to go for the Radiesse,, if it lasts 18 mths to 2 years. It would save me some pain:)

Has anyone tried the Radiess and or Aquamid?

I am in Melbourne does anyone have any recommendations as far as docs are concerned for these products.
Thanks

['mealia]

I thought aquamid was a permanent filler? My understanding of it was not many people (read nobody) injects permanent fillers anymore.


I looked into radiesse it looks ok but it shouldn't ever be used for the lips should it?

[Golden Pigeon]

Did you really feel that much pain with the nerve block? I honestly think getting my fillers under nerve block is THE most comfortable thing I can get.

Far more comfortable than just normal botox.

My doctor uses a numbing bubble gum to numb the gum first, then puts in the oral block.

After that you don't feel any sharpness of pain at all around the lips.

Are you sure your doctor does a good nerve block? I've been to at least one doctor and 2 dentists who were just hopeless at numbing the area.


Also I agree with 'mealia. Radiesse should never be used for the lips but I quite liked it for my cheeks. Dunno if it was worth the cost though. It cost twice as much but only lasted about 50% longer.

[She'll be Peaches]

Are people still using Aquamid in australia?

I thought it had practically been banned. Why would you want to use a permanent filler in someone who doesn't have AIDS?

[Sus]

Aquamid is classified as "pemanent filler" because it lasts more than three years. Any fillers that last more than three years are classified as such. No, it is not banned in Australia, but not many Dr's are using it. In my belief Dr's who are not using it do so because they are not confident of outcome, their ability, so use only temporary fillers. If patient is unhappy, they'll say, "Oh, well, it will go in a flash.". I have Aquamid in my face and lips, since Jan 2005 no problems, still there like first day. For this, I actually had a nurse doing it, only because she has a good reputation, she was recommended. Botox I have a Dr administer it, simply because he is excellent.
Susan

[Goonie]

hehehe still posting. Sorry if it looks like I'm picking on you Sus!

Isn't it a bit inconsistent getting your botox - temporary, very safe - done by a doctor but you get the "permanent" filler - if it goes wrong you are stucky with it - done by a nurse?

If I had found a very excellent doctor I would be going her for everything. Especially the ones that can potentially go wrong - permanently!

[Sus]

Are you alright Goonie? Why shouldn't i be still posting, when I have something to say? Having treatments has nothing to do with consistency, just who is better, experienced, recommended. For your information, nurse injects fillers all day, every day, Dr does mainly Botox, (the very best) as well as his GP practice. They know of each other, but do not know each other. Both knows I've seen the other. Anymore you want to know?
By the way, if you really have nothing else to do, you can pick on me, couldn't care less. I would read a good book.

[Goonie]

Maybe you should read a good book Sus. Or go about breaking forum rules again after months of membership by publically posting your doctors name.

Firstly I apologise about the gramatical errors in my last post in this thread.

Secondly, I maintain my position. Permanent fillers should certainly only be done by very experienced ******** injectors (nurse or doctor). Where I live on the other side of the Pacific to you only doctors can inject by law. But I've read the australian posts here on the topic and concede the experience of the injector is very important. It still looks like the nurses are skirting on the side of the law since they have to be "supervised" by a doctor no?

If you have found an injector who is so good, you have such great faith in, you are willing to risk permanent side effects why then go to someone else for the botox.

Especially since the first person, the "experienced injector" of aquamid, is a nurse and presumably a lot cheaper than the doctor doing botox.

A totally inconsistent position and I smell a rat.

Over to you Sus .....

[mosaic]

I thought aquamid was a permanent filler? My understanding of it was not many people (read nobody) injects permanent fillers anymore.


I looked into radiesse it looks ok but it shouldn't ever be used for the lips should it?

Quite a few very highly thought of cosmetic surgeons use Aquamid here in Aussie. Mind you they do give written 'warnings' and you have to sign to say you understand the risks. AM is quite popular.

[mosaic]

Did you really feel that much pain with the nerve block? I honestly think getting my fillers under nerve block is THE most comfortable thing I can get.

Far more comfortable than just normal botox.

My doctor uses a numbing bubble gum to numb the gum first, then puts in the oral block.

After that you don't feel any sharpness of pain at all around the lips.

Are you sure your doctor does a good nerve block? I've been to at least one doctor and 2 dentists who were just hopeless at numbing the area.


Also I agree with 'mealia. Radiesse should never be used for the lips but I quite liked it for my cheeks. Dunno if it was worth the cost though. It cost twice as much but only lasted about 50% longer.

Yes the pain even with double the amount of nerve block was intense. Like I said I have a high tolerance for anaesthetics. With the dentist I don't even bother, as it is a waste of time.

Seems few Drs are using Radiesse, and I can't have Aquamid until beginning of March, as Drs won't do it until all Restylane has gone.

[botox_queen]

Mosaic are you totally 100% sure you actually had a nerve block in the area they were injecting.

From my understanding a nerve block is either ON = no pain; or NOT ON = no relief from pain whatsoever.

I know this because my mother had her entire knee replaced under a nerve block! She was wide awake and told of being able to hear drilling, hammering and scraping sounds all with no pain - whilst disconcertingly wide awake.

Are you telling my Radiesse is so painful that it is worse than someone cutting off your knee and then hammering in a steel replacement?


Sounds like you didn't have a proper nerve block :) Who was doing it a doctor or nurse. There's a theory on the forum that nurses aren't allowed or aren't able to do nerve blocks

[jomol31]

Botox queen whilst I agree with most of your post - a nerve block either blocks all pain or it doesn't you do have one big error.


Many nurses can and are able to do nerve blocks. I think more of them aren't as comfortable with the proceudre but I have certainly had an excellent nerve block from a nurse

[cheray]

When I got my lips done with juvederm last week I had to request an alternative to the usual nerve block( the adrenalin one )as it makes my heart race and i start to shake. Unfortunately the block they had to use was short acting and before she had a chance to finish I was aware of the needles...Big time. She tried to numb me again and they wore off even faster..........Not a pleasant experience. However the end result was great. Not sure if I want to do it again in a hurry though.

[sharencaster]

Restylane, Perlane, Juv?derm Ultra, Teosyal and Belotero. Hyaluronic acid products can come in different thicknesses or viscosities which make them a versatile choice for treating different areas of the face. A thinner product would be well suited to fine lines and wrinkles or fopr subtle enhancement of the lips whereas a thicker product is ideal for addressing volume loss and very deep wrinkles. They typically last between six and 12 months.

[tattoomd]

Yes the pain even with double the amount of nerve block was intense. Like I said I have a high tolerance for anaesthetics. With the dentist I don't even bother, as it is a waste of time.

Seems few Drs are using Radiesse, and I can't have Aquamid until beginning of March, as Drs won't do it until all Restylane has gone.

Most fillers these days have an option to be injected with lidocaine. This greatly diminishes the pain and can obviate the need for a nerve block and topical anesthetic. Only collagen and hyaluronic acid fillers should be used in the lips due to the thinness of the skin there.

[jasonbrien]

No filler is permanent yet and aquamid also lasts under four years at the maximum.